“We took a loan to pay off credit cards—& maxed them out again”

Ramit Sethi of I Will Teach You To Be Rich talks to Ashley, 29, and Brandon, 30. They have been married for six years and have accumulated $261,000 in debt. Despite taking out a surrogate loan, they are still unable to have a baby. Ashley is desperate for a partner, but Brandon struggles to engage—at home, and in this conversation.

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